I agree it's complicated and mysterious. That's why I'm not talking about naturalism in the way that religious folks trumpet their creed. I'm not saying you'll be punished forever if you disagree with me. And I try to credit this mystery by combining naturalism with Lovecraftian cosmicism, as I said in the debate. I also talk about the pantheistic re-enchantment of nature, given its scientific objectification:

https://medium.com/grim-tidings/why-you-should-be-haunted-by-natures-physicality-4d52310d0817?sk=e1407bef36888713f080746a51b4c7ba